Edgewater/Andersonville - Tap Into Your Community

• towanda

  I have yet to see in print or hear from Phil Bernstein, ANYTHING nice about Edgewater or the many organizations, block clubs and elected officials who give of their time to make Edgewater a better place. All he does is criticizes and put Edgewater down with negativity. I often wonder why he even lives here, He seems to find nothing but fault with our ward. Check out the blog he has; "the intelligencer", it speaks volumes about how Phil Bernstein feels about Edgewater. On top of that blog and it's negative comments, he NEVER attends anything or any meeting in Edgewater including the Task Force meeting on 08/26 and yet, he always has a negative comment to make after these events. It's easy to sit in your arm chair and talk about what you would do if you were in charge., it's quite another to get it done. I have yet to hear anything negative about Edgewater from Harry Osterman, only positives and the possibilities. Good luck Mr. Bernstein. Talk is cheap.

• JMN

  This man has many issues – most of them personal – he has never participated in any Egewater volunteer effort – spending his time instead on being critical of those who volunteer their time. I will agree Phil Bernstein is not an elitist (a person of high integrity and Class) – want a good insight about Berstein – talk to his board and neighbors at his condo – I am not concerned about his winning an election against Harry Osterman – – I agree with towanda – why elect someone to represent Edgewater who hates Edgewater as his blog does – check out his blog – you will find numerous factual errors – and the grammer and spelling is grade school. How absurd that he would even think he is qualified to run -

• QRBNST

  Mr. Bernstein's letter and website have a tone, wording and look very similar to the "Edgewater Intelligencer."

  I guess we now know who the anonymous "authors" of that site are.

• JMN

  I have been assured by people who live in his lakefront building that he is the author of Intelligencer -lives in the easternmost lakefront building on Sheridan Road – and you wonder why he is against citizens of Chicago enjoying a bike path in front of "his" backyard. Those who live west of the lake would impinge on his private shroeline and view – In my opinion – and from insight given to me by people who know Bernstein – Bernstein’s agenda has everything to do with Bernstein – and nothing to do with upgrading and preserving Edgewater- a vote for Bernstein is indeed a vote for Bernstein – and not Edgewater – I too live on the lakefront and am embarrassed to have Bernstein as a neighbor – I supprt the lakefront property and views for ALL of Chicago – including those west of the highrise wall.

• towanda

  "NOT THROUGH SOME 3RD PARTY SPOKESPERSON".

  You do indeed, get your information from a "3rd party spokesperson".Case in point, the Task Force Meeting on 08/26. You say on your "Edgewater Intelligencer" blog that "people walked out of the meeting and got cabs because there was a gang member in the meeting". How would you know? you weren't even there. 3RD PARTY SPOKESPERSON if you ask me. You know that is an out right lie. The last thing we need in this ward is more lies and more talk. Actions speak louder than words Phil…where are you actions? You don't even participate in our ward.

• SCAMP

  He looks like he has been sampling his own products. Bernstein owns two liquor stores.

  Having seen that nasty rag, the Intelligencer, on several occasions we have wondered what Bernstein and his sidekick Redell were up to. Now we know what was behind all those ad hominem attacks. Bernstein is already the recipient of two federal pensions. He is doing exactly what he decries in other politicians…positioning himself for another pension.

• Patrick

  RUN PHILLIP RUN. EVERYONE IN THE WARD SUPPORTS YOU. WE HAVE ALL HADE ENOUGH OF THE SAME PEOPLE STEALING EVERYTHING. I WILL SUPPORT PHILLIP,GOD BLESS YOU. DO NOT LISTEN TO THE HATE MONGERS. YOU CAN WIN. SORRY ABOUT THE CAPS.

• towanda

  What? You're not running Patrick McDonough? Guess you couldn't get enough signatures. Notice..no caps? Nice dig though..typical. And typical you'd support someone who is just as mean as you. Got anything original?

• Toto

  First thing I would do Phil, is evict all the decrepit old people. God how I hate old people. In fact in 10 years I will be one of them. So while I don't hate myself now, I will be soon. How old are you Phil? Look at Edgewater's demographics? High percentage of old people. Kick 'em out Phil.

  When you're done Phil, let's get rid of gays. Jeeze, so many of these unreproduceable ones means we will never attract the likes of Baby Gap and other businesses of their ilk. And don't get me started on old gays. All they want to do is layout on the beach and enjoy the good life. Who says they have a right to a good life? They should be working as checkers at Aldi's instead of worrying about the SPF factor of their sunscreen. Extend the beaches in Edgewater? OMG. That just means more of 'em will want to plant their fannies down on our sand and block our lake views.

  And frankly, who wants so many moms pushing those baby carriages either. They should be banned from the sidewalks. How many times have we had near misses with a stroller that could have been fatal. These moms and their babies take of two and a half times the space they need at our outdoor cafe's. And once these brat's get used to having wheels on our sidewalks, they will want to ride their bikes on the sidewalk. God forbid one of them runs down some of the few remaining old folks.

  In fact all wheeled forms of transport should be banned from our precious Edgewater sidewalks. Especially people who have the audacity of using their wire shopping carts and stuffing it with their dirty laundry. Why in the world would you want everyone to see your dirty laundry? And don't get me started on gays and their dirty laundry. It's just gross.

  If only our politicians were more like you Phil, with the fortitude to come of with no new ideas and some crazy crackpot old ones this would all be a better place.

• Toto

  It's just satire folks.

• JMN

  Phillip – I would not label you an elitist either (a person with integrity and class) – your attempt to belittle someone with a visual handicap shows exactly what type of person you are – I have found that it is true – birds of a feather flock together.

  From the Bernstein feedback I am getting I am not concerned about Edgewater having "someone like him" at the helm
  - sour grapes are indeed poisonous

• Water Boy

  First of all, thanks for running this jerks picture. Now we all know what this fool looks like. Towanda, you are very well connected. Your statements are dead on. I know he and Rudell are behind the hate filled Intelligencer. This blog reports as fact items and comments out of context. Everything at that site is negative. Do you think this community would want someone like Bernstein representing us? I think not. I've tried to engage in a civil dialogue with him and it's impossible. He's not civil. He's hate-filled and angry.

• JMN

  This man does not understand the differences in objectives, responsibility and financials of the chamber, ECC, EDC, NEBA etc. He often attributes actions by one organization that was indeed taken by another organization. The man simple is not able to comprehend the volunteer organizational groups within Edgewater – nor does he agree with their objectives to improve Edgewater. His threat to abolish these “elitist” groups is indicative of his lack of concern for the growth of Edgewater; His sole objective is to protect his views from his lakefront High Rise. This man complains for his own attention – he never volunteers or gets involved. He is much uninformed. You are correct water boy – his picture speaks volumes. The political structure and the people of this community will speak volumes when they count the votes. I am betting Bernstein will be very embarrassed ……..

• towanda

  Glad I don't need caps anymore;)

  There are two people who are "Phil" boys who will go on the nasty attack for Phil. Patrick McDonough & John Redell. Patrick has the "chicagoclout" website, just as evil as Phil's and John is a "hanger on" for Phil. While that's all good and well to have pals, they are just as evil, mean and wrong as Phil. They talk about people in office getting the office through "royalty", well Phil Bernstein got his job at the Corps of Engineers through his dad. Phil isn't even an engineer, he's an economist.
  He spent a life time there and now collects one of two pensions. Harry's mom, Cathy, died before she could give Harry a job. Talk about the "pot calling the kettle black"! Phil trashes Carol Ronan on his site for getting two pensions, well Phil, how do you explain your two pensions? Here's the deal folks, when someone starts slinging mud, they will eventually end up in quicksand because we can sling it back as well, often times better. Facts are out there, Phil doesn't want us to know them. I'm sorry to see it come to this so early in the campaign but I will not allow them to trash Harry without a fight from me! If they want a list of the issues Harry is concerned about within this ward and what he is CURRENTLY doing to solve or fix some of them, I could go on & on or any of you can go to Harry's Facebook page. On the Facebook page for ECB, John Redell sent a "rebuttal" to me directly, not wishing to have it seen publicly..wonder why? I think I'll paste it here.

  It was Patrick (McDonough?) who keeps doing the caps thing..see just as mean and his true colors show when he does that.

  Just an update, There is a meeting at the safe house on Thorndale, 1130 N Thorndale @ 7:00 Thursday night as a follow up to the Task Force meeting 08/26. This is regarding 911. Oh, and that "safe house"? Harry started it and he's not even the Alderman..YET I can't be at this one, I have tickets to a concert..

• Michael

  Towanda, thanks for sharing the info! You have great resources, btw. As a librarian, I'm jealous.

• Judith Emile

  @towanda…. You have ZERO credibility. What makes you so sure that Mr. Bernstein gets any pension at all? Make sure you have Mr. Osterman quote you….so he can make a fool of himself using your bad data.

  As far as Rudell's response to you goes, it WAS public and still is there on Facebook.

  These guys have called you guys out and you don't like it. Get a life and have some integrity for once in your life.

• Judith Emile

  @towanda…Here's Rudell's posted response on Facebook that you said was "private".
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  @Kris Hall-Klimek, rather than take the "Ad hominem" approach first (it still is fair game), why not attack the man's assertions and go after him personally after you've made a coherent point on real issues? (and point out his "lies" with documentation please)

  @David McCoy hits the point succinctly and spot on! Many "involved" in Edgewater politics are somehow "buttering their own bread", period! (even if indirectly) that's why Chicago has the Shakman decree and other legislation. Yes, there ARE people "filling their buckets at the public well" here in Edgewater!

  So now were supposed to accept another coronation put together by the "machine"? A ceremony where the "crescendo" is going to be the awarding of a shiny new "rubber voting stamp" for usage within city council meetings? (for this freshman machine alderman)

  And, we as citizens all supposed to sit back here we watch this parade of insiders compete to see who is going to be able to influence the "Yes-ie-ist of the yes-men"??? My bet is that Harry can yell YES to the machine pretty loud!

  Even though Harry is a nice guy, you have to admit that Harry is part of the Chicago machine and boasts a pedigree of extreme MACHINE PROVENANCE.

  Let's face it. Harry has ALL of his "political capital" within that machine and certainly would be hard-pressed to do anything to rock that boat.

  So what does that mean for us here in Edgewater? It means DON'T EXPECT ANYTHING TO CHANGE OR IMPROVE.

  Bernstein DOES bring up very salient points. (and that truth hurts those machine-type selfish ones in power right now, all the way down to the block club level) Yep, he's mean….and he wants to fight the machine!

  Is Bernstein really THAT off base in his assertions? (so he really IS "chick little" as you say?)

  In contrast, for objectivity purposes (comparing Bernstein to a machine type), is Bernstein one of those on the ECC or other various ward delegate organizations that somehow benefits from what would seem to be a direct conflict of interest? (as Mr. McCoy would say…."patsies filling their buckets at the public well") Does Bernstein need the job? (like Harry does) Harry has been sharing office space with Ald. Smith and all these entrenched types for years! All he'd have to do IF he was elected would be change the placard on his desk!

  Or, is what Bernstein is saying just a salient truth that is too threating to the cancerous power base that currently exists here in Edgewater? His reality check that he is shouting-out makes the "grease valets" of the machine seethe! (too bad!) You know he's right….

  I mean really, we could break our arms patting ourselves on the backs saying nice things about Edgewater and giving each other awards (and that DOES happen here in Edgewater regularly enough already), but that would be just more ignoring of the reality of what's going on here. (corrupt insider deals, crime, poverty, crumbling infrastructure, etc….) Harry is part of that Status quo, even if he goes through the motions of "caring". I just don't believe Osterman cares enough to break up the system that has fed him, even if it is painful for him to watch.

• Michael

  I find it interesting after looking at Mr. Bernstein's website that despite the many issues he addresses he does not even touch on education. Does he not care about the atrocious state of Senn and several other of the ward's schools. Does he not realize that like a strong business community good schools are one of the best anchors of a coummunity? Does he know that most students from the neighborhood chose to go high schools other than Senn? Does he even care? From his website, it would appear not.

• Judith Emile

  @towanda….more of Rudell's post on Facebook
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  That problem (an entrenched group of insiders in a mutual admiration club, working out insider deals for each other) has been here for a long time. They have ignored what is going on at one level and benefited on another. There doesn't seem to be much altruism within public office in Edgewater. Harry has benefited in that he's ALWAYS been part of the system and because he's never had to get a job! (even if he's a "nice guy") And…..thanks Harry spending $40K on BBQ and beer for what in essence are political fund raisers just doesn't cut it.

  Sure, Harry is a nice guy, AND he's friends with many of those "insiders". THAT is a big problem, the main problem. So how do we "press the reset button" here in Edgewater if we just elect another "patsy" (Mr. McCoy's insightful word usage) We don't need the "nice guy".

  Do you think Harry would ever reconstitute the block club system so that there is democracy and transparency? (that would anger many people he's beholden to) The fact is that there are many people like Bernstein that have been disenfranchised by this corrupt system.

  Some of us would rather have an Alderman that doesn't NEED that cushy job (with big pay and big expense account) and hasn't been a career politician working within the corrupt Chicago and IL system! (Maybe H.O could chose to "save" elephants in trying not to rock the boat, just like Ald. Smith …..like that was a big issue for Edgewater….and she got an award from Richard Pryor's foundation for it!!!)

  So, if Harry doesn't get positioned within the machine here, it really is a threat to those that like the status quo. The machine really does need their "man" Harry. Harry needs the machine and they desperately need to to put him in place.

  Is Harry really a CHANGE in ANY way or an improvement over Ald. Smith? Maybe you haven't noticed what Edgewater looks like and maybe you also haven't noticed that the City of Chicago is over budget by hundreds of millions of dollars! (because the machine is too busy not saying mean things about their insider buddies)

  Is Harry part of a group of people that have displayed ANY fiscal responsibility? NOPE!

• Judith Emile

  @towanda….more of Rudell's post on Facebook
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  Do we really want the status quo "nice guy" that will never say anything to anyone within the system for fear of losing their "meal ticket". Not me!

  Why must we again accept another "anointed" one that will fall in to "lock step"? (just like Smith, Ronen, et al)

  So someone excoriates Egdewater's political system?!?! Unless you've been living in a dream world, Edgewater is absolutely NOT "beyond reproach". Bernstein's criticisms or Edgewater and the politicos here IS very constructive, regardless of what Pollyanna-ish views you might take.

  Just because Bernstein isn't worshiping at the "block club altar" (thus helping to keep in place those that have our city in a strangle hold) doesn't mean he hasn't been active in our community. Hello? Over 60% of the community voted upon a referendum here where he was the catalyst and led the charge. (but somehow you suggest he's just selfish in that endeavor rather than looking out for our tax dollars)

  As a matter of fact, he's met with everyone in that office on Broadway shared by all the politicos in our "hood", including H.O..

  For the record, Our block club, ASCO, holds ALL their meetings at closed meetings. Yes, that is correct, not single one open to the public! Check their web site and you'll clearly note that the general public is not allowed to attend an ASCO meeting. ASCO doesn't publish an agenda and their meeting minutes are not public record!!! And….THEY vote on all the zoning and planning issue!

  So Bernstein doesn't beg and plead enough to be part of the system in the way YOU like it run? Bernstein says he's fed up with the corruption here.

  You should be sick of it too!

• JMN

  Judith – you are another one I would not label an elitist (defined by Webster as "exclusive" "superior" "selective" – talk about "no class" -you give new meaning to Edgewater as a diversified community – some of us "have class" —-and then there are people like you- you should be even 10% as good as Towanda and then you would understand how the other half lives.

• Patrick

  MR. Bernstein is a very nice person and wrote the truth on the current state of affairs in the 48th Ward. He was attacked a HO pit-bull right off the bat. HO will try to knock this American right off the ballot because that is the way the HOs play. Bernstein knows what is like to fight to feed his family. tell tomomma to allow freedom in the 48th ward. Are we going to allow an America Hero like Bernstein on the ballot? Heck Ya!!! Run Phil Run!!! Go Phil Run!!

• Judith Emile

  @JMN…..Other half? Are you some sort of separatist or racist?

  Fantastic HO supporter that you are!

  It sure would seem that you are either a racist, homo-phobe, antisemitic type, ageist, anti-"breeder" or otherwise put yourself in a "class" that is somehow separate from 50% of the residents of Edgewater!

  Congratulations you idiot!

  My people are all the people here in Edgewater! (even idiots like you)

  If Towanda was good, Towanda wouldn't lie, period.

  Towanda is a liar.

  Towanda can not support any assertions.

  Towanda represents what is wrong with Chicago and IL.

  And you JMN, you need to spend more time realizing there is not "other half". We all live here and You and Towanda ARE the problem….

  Have some integrity…..and start by supporting EVERY outlandish claim you and Towanda make. It seems that Bernstein can support EVERY point he makes with documentation.

  You fear the truth…..you liars!

• JMN

  when you reach my level of education and social economic success you will determine that I am certainly not an idiot – I am successful and smart enough to object to Bernstein and his hateful blogs and comments – he is an embarrassment to Edgewater – and these facts are the basis for my "other half" remark – I certainly don't place myself at his level – and my volunteer efforts put me in the half that knows what good the community organizations are doing for Edgewater and places me as a solution finder – with improvement in Edgewater economic and lifestyle amenities on my front burner. I will not let others destroy that objective – and yes I do consider expanding the lakefront for all to use as a primary lifestyle amenity improvement for ALL of Edgewater. While I live along the lakefront I do not want to “restrict” those living west of me from enjoying that lakefront as I do……….the same can not be said for Bernstein. I understand I purchased my condo – I did not purchase the lake or the land in front of my property. Those parcels belong to the citizens of Chicago.

• paul

  to Judith Emile
  you are rude and ridculous…how dare you come in here and make such rude insults — friends of dorothy – damn right! I live next to the malibu- haven't heard of leapers?? Who cares if towanda is at the anvil and thats where the info comes from — probably more credible then you…..whether you are trying to be sarcastic, funny you fail…but if you are trying to be a rude snob you succeed. who are you to judge and espouse crap but you are so against it? I don't get it? I am not agreeing with comments about HO or PB…i think the whole flipping thing is corrupt based on research and reading it does appear that your friend PB doesn't do much and complains. HO I don't know so can't speak. either way…i would be embarrased to know you or admit it. and if you want to address this "friend of dorothy" please come face to face. I am at the park edgewater and would glad to hear your opinion.

• Judith Emile

  @Paul…."FOD" are friends of mine! (definitely) Since Towanda wanted to draw a line in the sand and pick some imaginary "side"…here we are. People from all "sides" like what Bernstein is saying….so some people are just going to have to deal with it.

  Bernstein obviously has absolutely no issues with any of us. "Toto" suggested this and other discriminatory WRONG stuff about Bernstein and is way off base! (so spew some "correction" in that direction) Maybe Toto could support that assertion?

  It seems that our community will have to continue to put up with liars like Townada, Toto, etc…

  Whether Towanda is frequenting the Anvil, Charlie's Ale House, Moody's or where ever….you should care about Towanda's obviously liquor soaked mind spewing out these untruths. Maybe Towanda has been "scoring" crack cocaine or crystal meth rather than liquor? (just a guess…all things considered)

  Towanda, how do you support these claims about Bernstein….

  ** "Bernstein got his job at the Corps of Engineers through his dad."

  ** "now collects one of two pensions."

  ** "he NEVER attends anything or any meeting in Edgewater"

  Towanda….I love the your pubic announcement about your…"level of education and social economic success"…. (you are obviously insecure)

  Towanda, so you are wealthy and educated! (hard to believe) Wow! BFD…you are so unique! And you assume no one else is? And YOU've obviously come to the delusion that you therefore know better somehow? Really? Maybe you'll tell us you're the best looking person too??

  Do you have any trophies or shrines to yourself? (or just a mirror so that you can look at while yourself while "rub one out")

• da.mcmoney

  JMN says "when you reach my level of education and social economic success you will determine that I am certainly not an idiot" + "the other half" = Elitist.

  "Elitist: The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources."- thefreedictionary.com

  Seems to me that the machine loyalists get very nasty in a hurry when their entitlement ticket is even slightly threatened. Phil does not seem to be a perfect candidate, as his message should be less angry, but I can understand the anger. For example, who in their right mind (or rather, with a mind concerned for the greater good and not just themselves) would support landfill expansion to the tune of $450+ million when we are in a state of financial crisis?! It is outrageous, selfish and downright sinister. The people are having trouble buying bread and this is your suggestion? Why not tell us to eat cake too?!

  Bernstein would be wise to tone down the anger, as the message unfortunately gets lost in anger's cloud. But he does seem to lift the veil of clout, and focused on the truth. This is the important fact to remember. Osterman is clearly more of the same jacket buttering, back patting, self serving career politician.

  We have enough facts now to know: Run Phil Run is right!

  Bernstein for 48th Ward Alderman!!!

• da.mcmoney

  Oh btw…Toto, that wasn't satire. Satire is funny. What you wrote was trite sarcasm. It starting out weak and finished as mind-numbingly boring. Please, for the sake of everyone, try to be more creative.

• towanda

  Here's the deal Buzz neighbors. This person "using"the name Judith Emile is more than likely Redell trying to instigate and rile us up. Judith Emile is a friend of mine and that is a company name. Redell is a sneak and very sly person. Case in point, he has been known to sneak around the garage of his building taking pictures of the employee's who may not be doing their job or are sleeping on the job. It's a known fact in his building. The comments being made by "Judith Emile" are not being made by her. Trust me, I have spoken to her. Currently, we are trying to trace who is using her name in this manner.

• towanda

  Come on da.mcmoney,
  "Osterman is clearly more of the same jacket buttering, back patting, self serving career politician.

  We have enough facts now to know: Run Phil Run is right!"

  What facts would that be and back up your comment that Harry is of the same jacket. That would make your comment more credible.

• towanda

  Oh, and someone who does not volunteer or attend events in their community doesn't seem like the kind of person I want running that community.

• da.mcmoney

  "Redell is a sneak and very sly person. Case in point, he has been known to sneak around the garage of his building taking pictures of the employee's who may not be doing their job or are sleeping on the job."

  You have issue with documenting in the best way possible employees "not doing their job" or "sleeping on the job?" Are you arguing they should be able to sleep in peace on the job, or what?! Perhaps he wants rock solid documentation when they are fired…seems wise and fair to me. Or would you prefer that the position not open up to someone who is willing to work hard, instead of someone who sleeps for a paycheck?

  You have no evidence to support Redell posing as "Judith Emile," yet you claim this is likely. Liar! You are spreading lies towanda. Your tactics to minimize the perceived number of supporters for Phil are sinister, for shame!

  There are more supporters for Phil than Osterman and his band of cronies will ever admit, and that number will soon rapidly be growing. The people are tired of these recycled self-serving hack politicians, and we will prove it on voting day.

  A vote for Phil is a vote for Edgewater! Phil Bernstein for 48th Ward Alderman!!!

• Judith Emile

  @Towanda…. Hilarious! So this Redell takes pictures of people not doing their jobs? Imagine that! Wow! Keep tracing! (are you going to stalk and hurt this person once you figure out who it is?)

  Towanda, respond those claims you made you liar!

  ** "Bernstein got his job at the Corps of Engineers through his dad."

  ** "now collects one of two pensions."

  ** "he NEVER attends anything or any meeting in Edgewater"

• towanda

  da.mcmoney,
  You missed the point. I said that in the context of Redell being sneaky and soon, very soon, we will have evidence that Redell is using another name. I tell you this, I don't need to lie, the facts are there, perhaps you need to do some research, as I do, before you jump in with your "lie" comment. It's fine if Redell wants to bust employees, thats his choice. again, you missed the point…sneaky is the word I used. And I noticed you didn't respond to putting up facts about Harry either. Seems you don't have any. Go ahead, waste you votes. It's your prerogative. By the way, is it necessary for Phil supporters to be so vile in their comments? Just curious if that's a prerequisite to being a Phil supporter.

• towanda

  I won't be responding to you anymore John Redell. I'm way above that level. Judith Emile indeed. By the way, you can be sued for identity theft.

• Judith Emile

  @towanda…. you are a paper tiger! Who is "Judith Emile"? Maybe I'm Harry? I contend that I'm Judith Emile, damn it!!!

  So the bottom line is that you basically are saying you don't need to support any assertions you make because no one else is? (you initially are the THE ONE that made all the assertions! So, let's take turns! Since you started, you support first. (otherwise, I stand by my assertion that you are a liar)

  I am sure Bernstein would support any assertion that he's made, with documentation, tax returns, public records, etc… Bernstein really CAN support any question you have, just ask him.

  Again Towanda, support those claims that you made:

  ** "Bernstein got his job at the Corps of Engineers through his dad."

  ** "now collects one of two pensions."

  ** "he NEVER attends anything or any meeting in Edgewater"

• da.mcmoney

  Oh snap! Up top Judith Emile!

• da.mcmoney

  So towanda, I will concede all negative things said about Harry Osterman. Now, my question is: where does he stand on the landfill expansion? Where do you stand? How do you rebut my statement that this is selfish and wasteful taxpayer spending?

• Judith Emile

  @Towanda… You are copping out. You obviously can't support these bogus claims that you make. Instead, you ask "who is Judith Emile"? Take a look in the phone book or facebook and notice how many "Judith Emile" entries there are! (many)

  Support your assertions:

  ** "Bernstein got his job at the Corps of Engineers through his dad."

  ** "now collects one of two pensions."

  ** "he NEVER attends anything or any meeting in Edgewater"

• Casey

  I feel like I'm in high school again. Thanks for the entertainment guys!

  On a serious note, I don't understand why this Judith Emile person would get so worked up. If you don't agree with towanda's statements that's one thing, but to suggest that she's an alcoholic and drug user makes you seem really immature and negates any credibility you may have had. If you want to object there are much more reasonable ways to get your point across.

• Judith Emile

  @Casey… Take note, my "response" came after 16 sophomoric comments from Toto, Towanda, JMN, etc….

  I repeat, AFTER 16 posts. My post was #17.

  The genesis of this behavior started with HO's people. These people are used to operating with brazened impunity despite their obvious ignorance illustrated in those messages.

  You may not have "fired back"… but those were some hateful and/or unfounded comments, with no factual support. (I know that Mr. Bernstein is willing to make a cash bet with Towanda saying she can't support her claims, the ones that I cited)

  You can choose to judge, but that is the reason why. (HO has many High-schoolers stumping for him)

  Here are examples of the erroneous and WRONG comments about Mr. Bernstein posted in this blog, all just in the first 16 messages, and even more came in after I piped up:

  *** This man has many issues – most of them personal

  *** his picture speaks volumes.

  ***and the grammer and spelling is grade school. How absurd that he would even think he is qualified to run (IRONICALLY, JMN spells "grammar" wrong!)

  *** Bernstein’s agenda has everything to do with Bernstein – and nothing to do with upgrading and preserving Edgewater

  *** Bernstein is already the recipient of two federal pensions. He is doing exactly what he decries in other politicians…positioning himself for another pension.

  *** "Toto" posts a whole diatribe suggesting Mr. Bernstein is a homo-phone, ageist, child-hater and homo-phobe.

  *** Towanda references, "website, just as evil as Phil"

  *** Towanda references,"Phil Bernstein got his job at the Corps of Engineers through his dad."

  Now, interestingly, Towanda has illustrated an extreme ability to be an "empty suit". Here's here quote: "Phil trashes Carol Ronan on his site for getting two pensions, well Phil, how do you explain your two pensions? Here's the deal folks, when someone starts slinging mud, they will eventually end up in quicksand because we can sling it back as well, often times better."

  Better? Berstein is telling the truth! Ronan is getting two pensions! (and the 2nd one was very controversial)

  Towanda claims Bernstein is getting 2 pension! How would Towanda even know Bernstein is even getting ONE???? (let alone 2) Townda is "slinging" all right, slinging lies.

  Towanda responds with this stalker type mentality when called on this vitriolic behavior. So let's just get real!

• Judith Emile

  @Casy…..I missed on of the early ones from "Scamp", #6.

  ***He looks like he has been sampling his own products. Bernstein owns two liquor stores.

  You can "call me out" for suggesting the HO peeps are Alcoholics, but just keep that in mind please.

  In fact, please read what I was responding to next time!

• sadiesmom

  Wow, why jump all over towanda? I've read her comments and it doesn't seem to me that she has said anything so bad about Mr. Bernstein to merit the stuff coming out of some of your mouths. Actually, I know her and I know her to be truthful, factual and a contributing memeber of the edgewater community. She attends events and volunteers in the community. If she says she hasn't seen Mr. Bernstein at events or showing up to volunteer, than she hasn't. Don't know what more proof she can give you. I also know the person who uses the Judith Emile name and it is not the person who is commenting under that name. The person who is the real Judith Emile would never use such language or say the things the person using that name now, is saying. It seems to me, that some of you people are attacking commenters for reasons that are truly unfonded. Every one has the right to speak their opinion without being attacked. Isn't this what they do on Uptown Update? Maybe you are on the wrong blog. Not very nice things coming out of your mouths. Why doesn't Mr. Bernstein come forward ? He knows if he participates in the community. Maybe he gets a social security pension and his Army Corps of Engineers pension, maybe that is what towanda meant. I do not blame her for not responding any more, you people will just attack her. Why bother? Good job towanda. I suppose they will attack me now for sticking up for you. Oh well, it does not matter to me.

• JMN

  sadiesmom- thanks for your comments – you are the type of person that makes me proud to live and volunteer in Edgewater – it is people like you who will make the difference – not angry people with issues……….welcome to my side of the tracks!

• Patrick

  I am looking forward to Harold Osterman and Philip Bernstein having a debate. I still think the Ho and PB need to grease up and get in the ring so the 48th ward can make up their mind. I think we can agree the mindless ranting of Tomomma, a real know it all, shows the hate before the issues are on the table. I also hope the lady collecting signatures this week will also get in the fray. I want to see a member of the LGBT debating also. The more the merrier.

• MikeBySenn

  It's fun to scan crap like this every once in a while to be reminded of the wackjobs like "Judith" that live in Edgewater.

  Anyway, who cares? I'm not ga ga for Osterman, but since he's gonna win, I guess I'll have to ask him about his stand on issues that are important to me and my neighbors (not the landfill nonissue — that will never happen in our lifetime). Yep, he'll win and the wackjobs will scream and wet their pants over it, which is all they really want to do anyway.

  $10 says "Judith" lives in a high-rise. There's something in the air east of Sheridan that makes some (not all) people go absolutely NUTS. If Bob Newhart was still living over there he could set up a home office and have a steady stream of clients. "Waah! Waah! He put that mezuzah thing on his door and it's a violation of our bylaws!! Waah! Tear it down!!" Unbelievable. The kids at Swift are more rational and mature.

• da.mcmoney

  Go Phil!!!

• Toto

  "Toto" posts a whole diatribe suggesting Mr. Bernstein is a homo-phone, ageist, child-hater and homo-phobe

  Judy, Judy, Judy. Darling my posting was for entertainment purposes only. Don't you get it?

  Now you see what a crazy rant sounds like. Mr Bernstein and his co-hort have nothing to offer except sour and angry words.

  The last thing we need running this ward is an off-kilter nut case.

  If Mr. Bernstein bothered to attend community meetings and be a part of the solution, people might be willing to listen to him.

  As it is, I sincerely doubt he has the manpower to form an organization to get the signatures needed to be on the ballot. Tick tock tick tock.

• paul

  so if someone was right – Judith Emile is a company name which is run by Sheli Lulkin – president of ASCO?
  That's a bit disturbing if it's true and maybe it's Sheli Lulkin doing all the writing?..but different people will dispute this which is fine….I also thought in one of PBernsteins entry on his website (again only what i read that it is his) he doesn't like ASCO – just trying to connect this web of edgewater commenters….which like most things seems a tangled web….

  i would like to figure out how to get in touch with this Sheli Lulkin…if my bldg pays dues to ASCO – i want to know what the heck they vote on…she hasn't responded to my emails, which are curteous and professional. So if anyone has any info that would be great. Aside from me going next door to her bldg, and stalking!
  And if the person using the name Judith emile and that is your real name. – my apologies — not really disputing who you are..nor actually do i give a hoot….i still think your posts are rude…and Towanda – good bad or indifferent apparently is connected and if she felt that PB was a good candidate then I think she and others would support him — i don't think they are HO supporters just because of the name – but maybe some of his actions….versus the other person's actions — just my random rant at 6am…too much coffee?

• DorothyParker007

  Wow better reading then the NYT! Its been awhile, been in Milan.

  Congrats TOWANDA on the non caps.

  Toto – grrr you little dog you, love your writing.

  Judith – lighten up gurl, don't get your thongs all up ya.

  By just being purely logical here, you just can't be angry and run an Alderman's office, who would get service?

  Would you have an "enemies" list as you do with your very, very, very angry website the Intelligencer.

  Anger produces heart attacks, honey start volunteering and helping us, stop writing on a computer imagining what we aren't doing.

  Instead of writing such hate filled unfactual blocks of ill behavior you deem is happening, join us and help the community.

  Who runs a successful business that its foundation is built on anger?

  We need a new fresh feeling to this neighborhood, not the old school of shouting and not allowing disagreement.

  You got to learn how to disagree.

  Lesson one: no personal attacks.

  Be back soon, running off to Paris.

• towanda

  Paul, You're right, that is a business run my Sheli Lulkin and no, it isn't her doing the writing. I've figured out who it is without question. It's John Redell. Here's how I came to my conclusion. John Redell responded to a comment I made on the ECB Facebook page. Than he copied and pasted it on the buzz. Check out the similarities everyone; The Judith Emile comment has an "@" in front of towanda. The comment on the Facebook page has the same "@" in front of it. It's his MO and I'm sorry to see anyone disguise themselves as someone else just to be mean. This is pretty cowardly if you ask me and not very professional, as I understand John Redell is suppose to be. Anyhow, since I know it's him, I have no need to respond to his rants.

• towanda

  da.mcmoney; I do agree, the huge proposal from the FOP is a waste of much needed money.Since the Landfill is a non issue because there is no money to start or complete it, I will still tell you that I am in favor of an extension of the bike path..nothing more, and I have made that very clear before. As far as Harry goes, I will ask him and let you know. He did, however,get the boat harbor that was proposed for Devon & Sheridan Rd defeated. That's on Harry's campaign page.

  sadiesmom; Thank you for going to bat for me. You really didn't have to do that and I know how much you dislike blogs;)

  Thanks to all the rest of you who have done the same. Know that I will not be baited by vicious people. I simply support Harry and will defend him, which is my right as registered, taxpaying voter. The difference is, I will not do it in a mean spirited manner as several Bernstein supporters have. Support who you want, just don't stoop to the level of the EDGEWATER INTELLIGENCER or any other blog that has nothing nice to say about Edgewater or the people who support this community.

• JMN

  The best solution – expand the lakefront for all Chicago – with stimulus money – it would be a benefit to the city and community without the cost -and imagine the jobs it would create – which is a primary goal of stimulus money. That is how this project should proceed and be explained to the citizens. The resident benefit and employment content of this proposal deserve serious consideration.

• Judith Emile

  DorothyParker007….

  The unfounded character assassination of Bernstein is really funny (it would seem) until someone else fires back at the haters here.

  Then, all the sudden, everyone gets pious, reverent, etc…

  HYPOCRITES!

  I appreciate what you are saying DorothyParker007, but the "FIRST ANGER" was initiated here with these assertions made by HO supporters well before ANYONE else had said anything to support Bernstein. (in fact 16 posting prior)

  They said and suggested some horrible things, even if Toto thinks they are for "entertainment" or "satire", reasonable people would find those comments to be funny.

  So, is it funny is we say these things about Osterman…. (I don't believe these things, but just imagine your reaction)

  ** Isn't it funny Osterman is homo-phobe
  ** Isn't it funny Osterman is hates kids
  ** Isn't it funny Osterman is hates the elderly
  ** Isn't it funny Osterman is an alcoholic (citing his picture)
  ** Etc., etc…..

  There's no room for Towanda and others to act holier than thou considering what they started.

  Towanda… support those claims that you made:

  ** "Bernstein got his job at the Corps of Engineers through his dad."

  ** "now collects one of two pensions."

  ** "he NEVER attends anything or any meeting in Edgewater"

• JMN

  I have been an active community volunteer for over 32 years – sit on some boards, volunteer as a free consultant to NFP's – attended lots of community meetings – volunteer for a lotof tasks and I never saw this Bernstein person. So it appears to be correct that he is more of a complainer than a volunteer to improve Edgewater. If he shows up at the Alderman office and political meetings to complain – but does not actively work with a group to improve Edgewater – than he is an attention seeking complainer and not a solution Alderman candidate. Example – I never saw a positive article on his blog about the recent volunteer effort on Granville to paint and improve the El Station. Now that was a community effort worth recognizing. An effort by community organiations and most importantly a volunteer give back effort by Loyola students who live in our area. Kudos to them should have been big headline news – but -oh sorry – that isn't what his blog is about – only negative news. As I have said before this man has serious anger issues that will errupt one day – I am fearful…..

• towanda

  JMN, Kudo's to you as well for giving of your time to the Edgewater community. Interesting that at the beach clean up last sat. there were 200+ Senn students there and kudo's to them as well. I was impressed. That also was not on Bernsteins blog. I'm a "newbie" when it comes to volunteering because of my eye and the sun, but I decided I needed to contribute and am doing my best. Without people like you and many others who volunteer and give freely of their time, I wonder what Edgewater would be like. Certainly not as good as it is. Thank You. I think your comment of not seeing Bernstein at events or volunteering is proof enough. I would think that in 32 years, you would have seen him at least some of the time. I stand by my comment about him not showing up. Thank you for validating that.

• 6033bears

  I must laugh at the quality of the vast majority of comments to Bernstein's candidacy. Talk about hate and anger: do you posters really think your comments, which by the way are beyond the pale in terms of honesty (thank Shelli Lulkin for that; that is her well known modus operandi) rank as anything but unprincipled and lacking in fact?

  In all the negative comments about Bernstein, I did not see even ONE comment regarding his willingness to donate 1/3 of his salary to ward charitable causes, his pledge to go green and not spend taxpayers money on car expenses, his tax position, his park enhancement position, his city council position, his tif position, his crime position, his inclusion of ALL people in decision making, his bike lane position and more. Why not?

  Instead the anti-change types prefer to advocate for mediocrity; prefer to slander; prefer to comment on imaginary issues like anger. Anything to protect brother Harry Osterman.

  The comment that Bernstein is never doing anything in the ward is wishful thinking. Go ask Alderman Smith if he has made any contributions to the ward.

  And remember, while some of you are patting yourself on the back for volunteering to paint a viaduct, do you ever think that it is the CITY that should be using your tax dollars to REPAIR the viaduct? You should be ANGRY that it continues to deteriorate while the politicians play games with your tax dollars.

  Brothers and sisters, you have got it all backwards.

• Judith Emile

  JMN…..THAT was an irresponsible comment on your part.

  I quote…..

  "As I have said before this man has serious anger issues that will errupt one day – I am fearful….."

  So are are you suggesting danger? What exactly are you fearful of?

  So would it be OK to suggest Harry may "lost it" some some day and we should be fearful.

  You should be ashamed of yourself.

• paul

  6033 bear….good points…let's change this discussion to the points that 6033bear made.
  what are peoples opinion or comments on the points:
  regarding his willingness to donate 1/3 of his salary to ward charitable causes,
  his pledge to go green and not spend taxpayers money on car expenses,
  his tax position,
  his park enhancement position,
  his city council position,
  his tif position,
  his crime position,
  his inclusion of ALL people in decision making, his bike lane position and more.
  \
  how does his position compare to HO's?
  thanks bear for bringing it back to the issues…..i am curious now…what people think…i am doing my own research on the two candidates

• towanda

  6033bears,
  Your comment is correct in that nothing has been mentioned about the issues Bernstein "says" he will do on his campaign web site. However, all candidates for any position, including Harry, have hopes and perhaps wishful ideas on how to change things. It's part of any campaign. Whether they have the ability to make those changes, is a whole different story. One can only hope.
  My contentions have been that Phil says nothing good about Edgewater on his blog. NOTHING and I find that impossible. There are plenty of good things about Edgewater but Phil never reports that. I also have been to many events and done volunteer work for the betterment of our community and Phil has not been seen. Don't you think a candidate running for the office of Alderman should be seen and have some good things to say about the ward he wants to represent? NOTHING can be ALL bad. If you read my first comment, you will see that is my contention.
  As far as doing the "viaduct". Sure the city should be doing it but the damn things are ugly and we all know waiting for the city to do something could mean hell freezes over so why not just do it to make our community look better? Am I a Harry supporter? I sure am but it's because of what I see and hear from him. Never anything negative about our community. Just ways to make it better and I see the results of Harry's efforts thus far and he isn't even the Alderman..yet.

• towanda

  Paul,
  I think Phil's "shoot for the stars" attitude regarding what he would do as Alderman are commendable. However, I am realistic in knowing that accomplishing these things may not happen. All politicians have a "shoot for the stars" wish list, many of them do not even come close to making those changes. It's all admirable but talk is cheap, as we all well know. I think if people read Harry's campaign web page on Facebook, they will see that he has basically the same goals for Edgewater and has already accomplished some of them. I look for change, ability, attitude and a positive position on Edgewater, among other things in a candidate. Looking at only the negative things about Edgewater festers negativity and we have enough of that in the country today. I have asked Phil on his blog if there was anything nice or good he would/could say about Edgewater. His reply? There wasn't one. How than will he "listen to the people" if he were Alderman if he can't even answer my question? Again, I'm being realistic here. And by the way, where is his position on education? It simply has been overlooked by Phil. Not cool!

• da.mcmoney

  This thread is awesome.

  Good to hear the landfill support is not there towanda. I don't like the walking trail support though, the city has miles and miles of lakefront trail already. How about saving the money and lowering business taxes? Rebuilding the infrastructure? You know, filling needs (instead of needless wants)?

  Go Phil!!! Don't be thwarted by the haters and mudslingers!!!

• towanda

  da.mcmoney,
  Who knows, that might happen. The money may actually get spent where it is needed most but I am not holding my breath, you should either;) It would be nice to just extend the bike trail though. I see many riders on the continued trail on Kenmore and it's rather dangerous for them. BTW, I don't even bike. Anything else on the lakefront I am totally against and have fought against the extension on several campaigns since 2004. I think I'll follow your lead….

  GO HARRY!

• Patrick

  Lets take the time to look close to what Phil berstein is really saying. Phil was never on the dole like harry has been his entire life. Phil can give up a fresh view. We need to look around for once in our lives.

• JMN

  First we need to wait until Bernstein gets the signatures – from what I am hearing there are several reasons why Bernstein has an uphill battle to get on the ballot – anger management and signatures are only two of the knocks he has against him. Being of a different opinion – and writing the horrible things he writes in the way he writes them –with anger and misinformation – leaves issues that I have learned is well known in the hood….. Bernstein may have issues with how Edgewater is thriving – but his lack of communication skills and ability to understand the volunteer agency roles and responsibilities – and then to attack their effort and confuse which agency is doing what he is objecting to – makes him look really dumb – and will rule the day. I am waiting to see who really makes it to the ballot – then I will engage myself more on the issues. As I have said before I am fearful – of Bernstein's vindictive anger – not just for Edgewater but for him as well . We need to be very very careful regarding the “complete person” – that we elect as Alderman. This will be an interesting election – locally and citywide

• Judith Emile

  JMN,

  Where do you come up with these claims? Why not say HO is a child molester? (just as unfounded as your claims of being afraid of Bernstein and his alleged anger issues)

  Why not say HO is running a crystal meth lab? (has just as much basis in reality as what you are saying)

  You too Towanda….you can't support what you are saying.

  Sure, you don't like the tone of what Bernstein is saying, but that "tone" is REALITY.

  HO's literature is filled with nebulous fluff, no substance. Read it, he's an empty suit. (no business experience, just another "career" seat warmer for the city council)

  You Pollyanna machine trolls are the problem and why our city, county and state are in financial collapse!

  Don't you get it?

• Judith Emile

  BTW…. HO is living in a fantasy world fiddling while Rome burns. (this is documented, $40K on parties thus far… and even more to be spent frivolously!)

  While HO is busying patting himself on the back and partying, HE COMPLETELY IGNORES the fact that he's been a part of that team here in IL that was brought us to $13 billion deficit! (HO says, great, let's have a Martini party Marty's!!!)

  And, he shares office space with the cabal that has brought us to almost a $700 Million budgetary shortfall for for the city so far, and the year isn't even over yet! (and he wants to join THAT team in lock step)

  WHAT THE HELL DOES H.O. KNOW ABOUT FINANCE????? (has he even had a real job?)

  HO doesn't even acknowledge THAT financial issues are a problem. He doesn't even talk about it. NOTHING CAN BE FIXED WITHOUT FIXING THAT!!! (can't get more police, can't get more teachers, etc.)

  Bernstein is an economist with a proven track record. Bernstein also owns two prominent small businesses that are thriving even in this economy. Bernstein pledges to donate 33% of his Ald. Salary to charity! Can HO come close to matching that?

  HERE'S THE ONLY FLUFF HO HAS TO SAY AND HE BASICALLY SAYS NOTHING!

  "Harry supports the small business districts in our community and continually reaches out to hear about the local business environment, the challenges and potential opportunities for the area. He has worked closely with, and provided grant funding to the Andersonville Chamber of Commerce and the Edgewater Chamber of Commerce to support the locally owned businesses that are so important to our community."

• Judith Emile

  Towanda,

  Coward! You are a liar, plain and simple. (there is no secret informant)

  Your claim about Phil and the Corps is completely bogus. Just exactly who was Phil's father? Did he ever work in that industry? Did he even live in this country?

  I'll bet you don't know!!!! (and you really should ask Phil the answer, you'll be ashamed from your abject stupidity after you hear the answer)

  As far as the "Pension" assertion goes, are you willing to bet that he even gets ONE? (again, your abject stupidity is shining through)

  As far as your "@" sleuth work goes, keep going "inspector Clouseau".

• towanda

  Thank you;
  JMN, Casey, Michael, Water Boy & Paul!

• George

  I have know idea what any of you are talking about. What blog(s) and quotes?

  Could people please post links regarding the information you are referring to for the people that have not lived here as long.

• towanda

  Don't see anything on Phils campaign page about;
  EDUCATION
  SENIOR CITZENS
  LGBT(FOD)
  Hmmmmm

• towanda

  George, sorry. Here's the blog Phil Bernstein has that is being referenced in the comments; EDGEWATERINTELLIGENCER.COM

• Judith Emile

  Towanda,

  The HO team "can't see the forest for the trees".

  Harry neglects the primary problem. He doesn't say how we'll pay for anything. He just promises the "moon". If we keep going on like this in this city, without fixing fixing the fiscal problem, we won't be able to PAY for ANY programs!

  Specific problems are:

  * fiscal collapse (what will he do?)
  * insider deals (what will he do?)
  * corruption (what will he do?)

  Harry can blow smoke about all the wondrous things that are going to happen IF he were to be elected, but without the CASH to do it, it is just a "pipe dream".

  Harry really needs to get himself philosophically under control fiscally if he really wants to help us.

  ILLINOIS is in LAST PLACE FISCALLY and Harry is part of the team that put us there!!!

  So, for Harry to have any positive impact, he must be able to show us he's not a "YES MAN". And, THAT has yet to be seen. (in fact, quite the contrary…look up his voting record)

  Interestingly, he currently shares the same office as Smith, Steans, etc…..

  So do you think Harry will do anything Can he break lock step with all his "machine buddies" to change the HUGE problems that have brought us to where we are today?

  I'm absolutely sure that "EDUCATION, SENIOR CITIZENS, LGBT" are priorities in Phil's queue.

  Will Phil meet with your philosophical stance, maybe. But, we also need streets, CTA and other things too….all of which we don't have any money for!

  AND HARRY DOESN'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA HOW WE WILL PAY FOR ANY OF IT.

• towanda

  Wow! Thank You "Judith Emile" for a decent and thoughtful comment. Perhaps, now, we can get to the issues without the nastiness. I can ask you the same things about Phil. How does he propose to break the mold and pull away from the "machine?" I see a lot of talk, but as we well know, it's cheap. Anyone can say they'll do this and they'll do that but how will they do it? Change is never easy and it takes time. I have seen some of the changes we can expect from Harry,i.e.,what's happening on Thorndale. Many events, less gang bangers and more police. I've walked down Thorndale many times and have sen the difference. Again, it doesn't happen over night. Wouldn't you agree that some change is better than none?

• Judith Emile

  Towanda,

  In response to your "mirrored" question, "How does he propose to break the mold and pull away from the "machine?"

  First, one has to be a part of it, and Phil is not at all part of it. He doesn't need the job and is willing to give some of the pay to charity. (I'm pretty sure Harry can't say or do that)

  Phil seems to be interested in cutting out waste, pork, insider deals, etc… Of course, to pay for things he could increase taxes, but I doubt he'd want to do that.

  So, almost forensically, where possible, waste, pork, insider deals, etc… would need to be cut out. It is a documented fact that there is some collusive nature between the boards of some of these 48th ward organization and the business that is happening here. (this can be documented, for sure)

  Phil is not beholden to the oligarchical structure we currently have here in Edgewater.

  To start with, it seems obvious that he'd go after those organizations and try to reconstitute them so that we as citizens are more democratically represented with the hope of eliminating all that waste, pork, insider deals, etc…

  I'm betting that would be where he'd start. (if you read what he's saying) And, we have to start somewhere!

  It would be painful for those entrenched organizations, but it would be the best thing for democracy and our citizens.

  There really is a big problem here in the 48th ward where our citizens are disenfranchised by these block clubs and delegate organizations. (the Chicago Tribune has referred to them as "living room" organizations)

  Now really, do ASCO and other groups REALLY consult with citizens when voting on zoning issues? (ASCO, absolutely not….others, only in some cases)

  We aren't allowed to attend ASCO's meetings, don't receive their meeting agendas, don't have access to their voting record, etc…

  Would Harry make it mandatory for ASCO meetings (and others) agendas to be public record?

  Would Harry make it mandatory for ASCO (and others) give full public access to their MEETINGS?

  Would Harry make it mandatory for ASCO (and others) give access to the voting records on zoning issues?

  I'm not so sure Harry would, but I know Phil would.

  I know you continue to bash Phil for "not being involved". So, just exactly how does one get involved in their "delegate" organization (ASCO)like that without compromising their value system and assimilating? (and in this case, begging and kissing a rear end)

  I don't ever remember having the chance to vote for any of these block club types to represent me.

• towanda

  "Judith Emile", I do agree with you regarding the ASCO issue, that is my "block club" as well. When I say that Phil does not "show" up, I don't mean with the "block club" that is ASCO. I can't even show up for their meetings and I also think that is wrong. So we agree on that issue. What I am referring to by not "showing: up, I mean for various events in the ward, i.e., Monday nights on Thorndale, Furry friends on Wed. on Thorndale, The Task force meetings that are help once a month at the Safe House on Thorndale that Harry opened, The Beach Clean up, volunteering for The food pantry at ECC, Painting the viaduct, dedications and many other volunteering opportunities in the ward. If Phil wants to represent this ward than he needs to be a visible participant in what goes on in the ward. So far, neither myself or JMN have seen him. It's important to me for the person representing our ward to "show" up. If Phil wants to have an "open door" policy, than he needs to be a part of the community. For me, giving back to the community is important and it should be for Phil as well. I see Harry giving back all the time. A leader leads his "flock", if you will, Harry is visible, Phil is not. Crime, corruption (which Harry has none in his political career) pork spending and cutting waste takes time to correct and I am sure that Harry feels the same way as Phil about that.
  I still have not sen anything mention from Phil about his position on education (Harry has secured many grants and much aid for the schools in this ward), Nothing on LGBT (Harry is a friend of the LGBT and has gotten funding for many issues facing the LBGT community and is in favor of the LBGT getting equal rights). What about seniors? Where is Phils stand with that(Harry started the senior health fair and expanded the community care program). All of this and much much more can be found on Harrys campaign page under "about me". Phil does not have a proven record in the ward and while he may be an economist and own two business, that does not make him qualified to run the ward. Just my opinion.
  Oh and by the way, it's nice to chat with you without the nastiness.

• towanda

  George, he is indeed the author of that web site.

• 6033bears

  George, "mentally unstable"?

  You are completely out of line. Mr. Osterman would not say that about Mr. Bernstein. He may not agree with him on some issues, but that is bad form on your part.

  Can you boast any level of stability that would match Mr. Bernstein's "stability"?

  - Married over 40 years…

  - Held a job over 20 years where he received commendations for his work…

  - Successful independent business man for almost 20 years…

  - Has lived in Edgewater for almost 40 years…

  The list could go on…

• JMN

  6033Bears – You note – Bernstein lived in Edgewater for 40years – I have lived in Edgewater for 32 years and been active in the community all that time – I find it strange I never heard of this person except through his unstable and factually incorrect attacks on his blog – read them – you can't refute these are writings by a man with a problem beyond his stated concerns. It is apparent he has never worked for Corporate America – senior executives and the board would never tolerant his type of communication style. Do you realize he only surfaced as an enraged man – when concerned Friends of the Park wanted to place a bike path and park land (for all of Chicago) in front of "his" building and "destroy" “his” lake front. Those on Marine Drive and Lakeshore Drive share the lake with all of Chicago – not Bernstein. He refuses to consider the advantages for all of Chicago including those living west of the lakefront in Edgewater.He has also ignored how the creation of this park land would help with much needed jobs in our community. "Not in my backyard" has been and remains his message. His desire to run for Alderman is strictly personal. Bernstein has a reputation that I strongly believe will prevent him from being elected. His blog precedes him and will render him unsustainable and unable to garner sufficient volunteers or financial support. There is more to Edgewater than the voters in the high rises. While I live on the lake front I believe the residents west of Sheridan will influence this election – including the “elitists” in the many expensive homes west of Chicago. Don’t ignore their professional and financial impact to Edgewater. They are very highly educated and they do vote. I have been fortunate that all my life my business and social associations have been such that I have never had to associate with angry and vengeful people. I will not be starting now. I am done with this subject – Harry will win and I will smile -maybe even gloat! No forget the “maybe” – I will goat! Got to go – I have some volunteer work not only for Edgewater but for NFP’s elsewhere in Chicago. Can’t waste my retirement time with the Bernstein’s of the world. There are people out there who deserve my time and help. Time to refocus my energy. Cheers! Bye

• 6033bears

  JMN, The irony of the whole situation is what you are doing is not completely rational.

  That is a leap you are making and one that doesn't necessarily exhibit the intellectual prowess that you brag about for yourself.

  It is a completely unfounded character assassination and it does not reflect positively upon Harry Osterman's campaign.

  THIS HATE COMING FROM YOU and others isn't even remotely issue based. Is there something about his race, religion or anything else that is giving you this irrational bias?

  Please, in the past couple of posts we've heard how "fortunate", "educated", "wealthy" you are. And? No one else has felt the need to do this, on either side of this discussion.

  I'm sure I CAN refute your statement….. "these are writings by a man with a PROBLEM BEYOND HIS STATED CONCERNS."

  It is the "BEYOND HIS STATED CONCERNS" statement part that really is off base and unethical on your and others' parts.

  How would you or anyone else have ANY data on that imaginary issue? Isn't there some onus on your part NOT to SLANDER someone based upon your own emotional leaps of conjecture and fantasy?

  Are you a physician that has examined him and right now are choosing to break HIPPA laws?

  Please, try to be introspective for a moment and THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING AND DOING.

  Consider whether you are in fact being completely rational and honest or even if you are qualified to make such statements!

  If someone doesn't like what people are saying about an ISSUE, they aren't automatically given license to do a character assassination.

  Mr. Osterman wouldn't say it about Mr. Bernstein because there is no basis for it. Mr. Bernstein isn't making such statements about Mr. Osterman either.

  It is the same thing as someone suggesting YOU are "mentally unstable" because you feel passionately about an issue such as Mr. Osterman's candidacy or any political issue for that matter.

  Just because someone thinks or lives philosophically differently that you doesn't make them inherently unstable and it doesn't give you a right to slander them.

  In Edgewater, we have many people of different political mind sets, different races, LGBT community, etc… Certainly you don't agree with all of them and maybe even vehemently disagree with some, and that doesn't make any of them "mentally unstable", evil or any other nasty thing you'd like to say.

• DorothyParker007

  Back from Milan, I simply adore jet lag, yow!

  Judith on facebook you say that Mr. Bernstein saids blockclubs and organizations in Edgewater are all corrupt.

  Do you mean he thinks the 100s of volunteers in Edgewater are conducting criminal activity?

  Are they only going to blockclubs to do illegal actions. Shit, I can't get 2 people to agree let alone 100s of people with a supposed personal agenda. If you got 100s of personal agendas, you have very little agreement.

  You seem to only have distain with the people who volunteer in Edgewater or is it select for blockclubs and the ones you name on EI?

  So is Ms. Ollie is corrupt? The church members of Edgewater who volunteer at blockclubs, they are also committing crimes against the community?

  Would no volunteer get service from Phil's spankin new Alderman's office? Are you like going to be his Chief of Staff? yow

  What groups besides Stop the Landfill or Phil Bernstein do you volunteer with in Edgewater?

  Oh and thanks pugmuffin for a being FOD. I have so many friends, darling, or does FOD mean something else, do share with me.

  Off to the moon.

• Swift Elementary

  Education? (what is Harry going to do regarding it?)

  PLEASE! He'll do some little symbolic things, that is about it. (nice, but not enough)

  The real question is, "what is he going to do for the UNIONS?"

  With Harry, it is Unions FIRST always, before the children.

  Harry will never vote for a voucher program, ever! That means that no matter what, the unions will always have the leverage and the Children will always be in 2nd place in Harry's voting scheme.

  If you don't believe me, check out his voting record. Also, check out how he votes YES on most issues and rarely votes against the group.

  Here's his voting record: http://votesmart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=33315

• 6033bears

  "Swift Elementary",

  Interesting Link! From reading the information, it seems like Harry didn't finish College.

  Did he finish College? (Harry cares about education?)

  I'm sure I'd RATHER have our alderman:

  - have a master's degree
  - have real world business experience
  - have a comprehensive understanding of finance

• Vampiro

  As someone coming into this with looking at candidates (and waiting to see who else announces), it seems pretty clear that in tone, if nothing else, someone like Phil Bernstein and the people who support him are not people to represent me, my neighbors, or my community. It's a representative democracy, and if these are the voices, attitudes, tones, and perspectives that represent him and his supporters, they are clearly not for me, regardless of where they stand on the issues. People who cannot respect civility, discourse, and dissent are by definition not fit to represent as large and diverse a group as Edgewater.

  Now, I'll duck out of this, because I'm clearly

  a) a HO lackey
  b) a crack addict
  c) a lover of Establishment and Machine and The Man
  d) a homophobe

  Finally, I would like to know which liquor stores Bernstein owns so I can be sure not to shop there anymore. Because surely I'm a

  e) communist drunk

• Judith Emile

  Vampiro, Open your eyes and look at the postings and counts the "name calling", etc… You are expressing a complete inverse of reality.

  THE NAME CALLING and as youwould say, "People who cannot respect civility, discourse, and dissent" really has been coming from HO supporters.

  The genesis of this bad behavior started with HO's people and continues with HO's people.

  Count up all the name calling done by HO supporters.

  Here we are with 98 posts (some have been deleted by HO supporters for obvious reasons) and the overwhelming majority are calling Bernstein names instead of talking about any issues.

• Swift Elementary

  6033bears,

  You seem to have it right. HO doesn't seem to have any educational credentials. He doesn't seem to have any work experience either.

  That is disturbing. How does he have any credibility on his understanding of the issues when he doesn't have any credentials? (or real experience to back it up)

  It would be one thing if HO built a company and was a "self-made man", but that doesn't seem to be the case. Harry seems to be machine-made.

• JMN

  Vampiro – you are correct – all you have to do is read Bernstein’s Intelligencer blog – http://edgewaterintelligencer.com/default.aspx – he is bragging on increase of readership – of course as the news spreads about this vile blog everyone wants to read it to determine for themselves how anti “Edgewater volunteer and community organizations” he and his blog is – we can easily conclude for ourselves the character of this man from reading his blog. Scary – at least it scares the hell out of me to think this man can even consider himself a candidate. Amazingly he thinks he is projecting a positive image of his approach to issues. Another scary conclusion. Thank goodness I do not have to deal with this type of person. I will try to get the name and location of his stores from public sources – (liquor license) as I too do not want to inadvertently shop there. From my 32 years Edgewater exposure I doubt they are in Edgewater.

• 6033bears

  Is Harry really interested in Safety? NO, no, no!!!! Harry voted against bill "HB 4139".

  That means he voted that groups like LOYOLA's police could be prohibited from carrying firearms!

  Our Chicago police here in Edgewater need all the help they can get.

  What the heck was Harry thinking? (luckily, the Harry didn't get his way)

  Here's the link: http://votesmart.org/issue_keyvote_detail.php?cs_id=19204&can_id=33315

• 6033bears

  JMN…. Nice "mobster" type mentality you are exhibiting.

  So now you are going to "STALK" Mr. Bernstein? (get the name and location of his stores from public sources)

  Are you inferring a threat?

  Who are you?

  That behavior that you are exhibiting is what should be FEARED, not Mr. Bernstein's opposition to what has been going on here in Edgewater.

• JMN

  Example of poor reporting on the Intelligencer blog – He states that ECC owned and tossed Standees – ECC does not own any building other than their office building – they certainly do not own the Granville Building. But Bernstein is so intent on destroying ECC that he will attribute this lie to press his agenda. This clearly shows he does not know what he is talking – about much less what is going on with which community organizations? Scary isn’t it! He needs to get his facts straight – but he is soooo far out of the loop he can't get the correct information. His blog clearly shows why he is out of the loop.

• JMN

  6033Bears

  Research from public records is not stalking – it is being informed and it is what smart people do—- you just have to be literate and commputer saavy

• Judith Emile

  JMN, Regarding Standees, EDC, and ECC, the "story" is correct if you scroll down further in the page. (you are just pointing out a typo between EDC & ECC in the page today)

  Read….

  As all know, Standee's was thrown out from its decade old location in January. Here's a quote from the principal involved with this tragedy:

  "'The partnership did not originally set out not to have Standee's there,' said Rae Ann Cecrle, a board member at the Edgewater Development Corp., which co-owns and manages the property. 'We wanted to have Standee's upgrade themselves, but ultimately did not consider the current operator to be a solid investment.'" Chicago Tribune

  What Rae Ann Cecrle "forgot" to mention (maybe because she realized it didn't look good) was that not only is she on the board of the Edgewater Development Corporation, an operating subsidiary of ECC (she's the Secretary), she is also a co-owner of 1127 West Granville, in which Standee's was located. In fact, Illinois Secretary of State records show that this building is owned by 1127 Granville LLC, owned by Cercle. And, the form 990 2008 tax return filed by EDC shows that they own 20% of 1127 Granville LLC. And, EDC took a loss on their investment in that building, through the LLC. So we have an absolute conflict of interest between a board member of a not for profit operation that totally exists on taxpayer monies, and the not for profit itself which invested in a building that one of their officers owns. That building is being upgraded for M Henry. So it stands to reason that 20% of the funds for that effort come from taxpayers. So, taxpayer monies are contributing to an upgrade of a building that is 80% privately owned by a board member of the organization. Does that seem honest? Does that seem like an insider job so typical of this community? And what, if any, other community based funding from the taxpayers is going into the remodeling of this building, that benefits a board member as well?

  And speaking of abuses, of the $64,261 in contributions received by EDC in 2008, fully 92% of it went to salaries of the director and assistant. Does that seem like a slightly excessive component of the total operating budget?

• JMN

  The blog says –Our Challenge to You: Rebut one FACT Featured Here

  you say it was a typo – I say it was ignorance. Bernstein was more interested in attacking ECC than in reporting facts.

• JMN

  and I did exactly what he challenged – I found a factual error – I win he loses :-) Damn that feels good!

• 6033bears

  JMN, sorry but you are mistaken.

  There is a difference between innocent research and stalking and it is in the intent.

  Candidates release data about their finances and business interests to insure a conflict of interest doesn't exist. There is no conflict of interest in the 48th Ward. (he's not here)

  STALKERS seek out personal data on their prey with the intent to do harm.

  In this case, it would seem that you'd like to harm Mr. Bernstein's business efforts. Shame on you for operating with that intent.

• Judith Emile

  JMN, now that you've had the chance to read the article, you comment on the REAL point.

  There is a problem. Will Harry do anything to fix this? (I'd be not)

  Rae Ann Cecrle's involvement in EDC, ECC, "1127 West Granville" seems to be a conflict of interest.

  She is on the board of the Edgewater Development Corporation, an operating subsidiary of ECC (she's the Secretary), she is also a co-owner of 1127 West Granville, in which Standee's was located.

  In fact, Illinois Secretary of State records show that this building is owned by 1127 Granville LLC, owned by Cercle.

  And, the form 990, 2008 tax return filed by EDC shows that they own 20% of 1127 Granville LLC.

  And, EDC took a loss on their investment in that building, through the LLC.

  The conflict of interest exists between a board member of a not for profit operation that totally exists on taxpayer monies, and the not for profit itself which invested in a building that one of their officers owns (Rae Ann Cecrle).

  Taxpayer monies are contributing to an upgrade of a building that is 80% privately owned by a board member of the organization.

• George

  I really don't know either one of these candidates or much about them except for what I'm reading online.

  I'm going start anew and not get into the name calling.

  Since HO is a public figure so to speak there is more public info on him.

  Bernstein is a small business owner (which is great) but doesn't actually identify what that is.

  Could someone tell me what small businesses he owns? Where is it? Is it in Edgewater?

  Also, if any of you personally know either one of these men can you identify that in your comment.

• bobbytuba

  You asked, I tell: Bernstain has two liquor stores:

  Fine Wine Brokers
  4621 N. Lincoln Ave.

  also in the Merchandise Mart

  Now, lets analyze. On his website
  http://www.edgewaterintelligencer.com (probably one of his major typos) Bernstein has attacked our economic development group for not working hard enough to bring businesses to Edgewater. [If you doubt this is his website go to
  whois.com and type in edgewaterintelligencer. You will see the following:

  Domain Name………. edgewaterintelligencer.com
  Creation Date…….. 2009-03-14
  Registration Date…. 2009-03-14
  Expiry Date………. 2011-03-14
  Organisation Name…. philip bernstein
  Organisation Address. PO Box 61359
  Organisation Address.
  Organisation Address. Sunnyvale
  Organisation Address. 94088
  Organisation Address. CA
  Organisation Address. US

  Yes Phillip tried to hide his identity by going through a company in California, reflecting
  his lack of interest in supporting
  Edgewater businesses and ip providers.

  When it came time for Phillip to go into business he did not choose an Edgewater location but went where he could make money: i.e., Lincoln Square. Smart business move but did he do anything for the community? Did he help develop the Edgewater business district?

  When he made enough money he opened a second location in the Merchandise Mart. Did that one succeed? We don't know. But we do know that he sells liquor on line which we consider a no/no.pr

• George

  Ok, so Bernstein he owns Fine Wine Brokers in Lincoln Square. I've heard good things about that place.

  But the other info you provided about Mr. Bernstein's blog that has post supporting himself seemingly as an independent blog is a little disingenuous. Thanks for the info.

  Domain Name………. edgewaterintelligencer.com
  Creation Date…….. 2009-03-14
  Registration Date…. 2009-03-14
  Expiry Date………. 2011-03-14
  Organisation Name…. philip bernstein

• 6033bears

  George – Interesting, and I'll bet Bernstein didn't use any tax payer's money to get that business started either.

  Do you see or have you found any conflicts of interest with his business ownership, like receiving public funds? (I'd bet not)

  You say he's being "disingenuous" on being "independent"? There's no wording as such in his site's "about" section suggesting it is "independent" per se.

  Or, if you are suggesting that he should somehow recuse himself from writing now because he's going to run for Alderman, that is understandable, but the site does pre-date Ald. Smith's announcement that she was leaving the office.

  The point Bernstein makes in the case of "Rae Ann Cecrle" that involves the EDC, ECC, and "1127 West Granville" seems to be a conflict of interest where public funds where used and a specific post of influenced seems to have been abused.

  Sadly, this doesn't seem to be the only situation where the "ANGRY" Bernstein points this sort of stuff out.

  As a TAX paying citizen, it does give me concern. But what also gives me concern is HO's perceived inability to get tough on these sort of situations considering the relationship that HO has with the "machine".

• JMN

  bear6033 – Rae Ann purchased the Granville building- with 100% of her own money – period. You and Bernstein are putting out false information – be careful.

• JMN

  Bear6033 – why do you say Rae Ann sits on the EDC and ECC boards? check your facts.

• 6033bears

  JMN – are you absolutely sure that EDC does not own 20% of 1127 Granville LLC.?

• 6033bears

  JMN – Facts CHECKED! She is on the board! http://www.edgewaterdev.org/BoardOfDirectors.cfm

  The EDC is an operating subsidiary of ECC.

  Would you like any further schooling my fine 32 year veteran of Edgewater? (highly educated and wealthy you might add)

• JMN

  I said that EDC did not use any funds – private or public for the 1127 Granville building. You need to stop implying or saying they did ……..unlike Bernstein I am out and about in the volunteer community so I know for sure what is going on……..

• JMN

  Bear6033 – facts – the website is not up to date – and EDC is not and has not been part of ECC since 1995. as I said – unlike Bernstein who sits on his arse and writes attacks – I am out and about in the volunteer community for 32years – so I know what is going on with volunteer organizations and the citizisens who are working hard and for free to make a difference and improve Edgewater lifestyle. Do you want the volunteer organizations and all the good citizens to stop their work? Your negativity is an insult to all volunteers and their organizations. Shame on you and Bernstein for not only putting out false information – but for attacking those hard working selfish residents of Edgewater. People like you discourage people like us. Do you think we don't vote? As you have noted before – we are smart, professional, economically astute, and out there! We are positive – not negative on Edgewater. Some of us even have businesses in Edgewater instead of in Lincoln Square….and some of us don't consider running a liquor store good credentials. I hope it is not true he is selling liquor on the internet – the state would be very interested in that fact -

• JMN

  Bear6033 – I have said I was educated and involved- I have never said I was wealthy – unless you feel being able to retire makes me wealthy.

• 6033bears

  JMN….on September 28th @ 2:19 pm you did yourself as an "economic success".

  Whether we call it "wealthy" or not, it still is pretty funny.

  Own the statement JMN, you are loaded with cash! (-;

  As far as the other parts of your point go, I guess we'll have to wait to see how Bernstein responds on his site.

• JMN

  Bear6033 – "Economic Success" is when you finally can hang it up and retire – it is like when you retire the mortgage – you solute that success as well.. One of my best days was when I realized I no longer needed to work and could devote my time to volunteer work. It is times like this however I am reminded of my father’s admonishment – "never volunteer". That man certainly was insightful. BTW – whatever Bernstein does on his site to respond to my rebuttals – will not change the facts I stated – as I know I am correct – his track record in checking facts for his blog is not very good. If I ever get to meet you- and you got to know me in my volunteer arena – you would understand why I know the facts – and accept me at face value.

• 6033bears

  JMN – Did you take note of HO's credentials and note the lack of education and real work experience? (that's not being mean, it is just the reality of the matter)

  In response to your comment about Bernstein's credentials, he doesn't just "run" a liquor store. He OWNS more than one and he isn't exactly selling Old Style and Mad dog 20/20 to the unfortunate. He's selling the stuff that "refined" people like you (I'm guessing) would drink. (OK, alcohol is alcohol) And, selling liquor IS LEGAL on the Internet.

  Also, how about the fact that Bernstein was the Chief of Planning for the Army Corp of Engineers running and planning projects that were HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of DOLLARS. He has an interest in the lakefront because he planned many of the lakefront reconstruction projects that are going on even today. (and he planned the "Deep Tunnel" project too) He really understands the financial issues and really does understand the public policy issues of large public works projects.

  Would you trust Harry with tasks like that?

  Now really, what is the largest budget HO has ever managed outside of his own personal budget? How about Harry's educational credentials? (don't those matter, especially considering his lack of real world experience)

  I know you said you've been successful and educated, but can even YOU match that level of stature in professional success? (since you held yourself out there as a bench mark) I'm just asking that question because you have to admit that Bernstein does have a FORMIDABLE RESUME. (Harry does not)

  And, if you can say you also have those sort of credentials, please run for Alderman then! Really, please do!

  Harry is a nice guy, but he doesn't really have enough of what is needed.

  Maybe if we compare Harry to "some" of our other alderman, Harry could fit in, but it would be nice to think we could "raise the bar" here in Edgewater.

  I'm not, and my friends are not interested in getting rid of "good works" or any type of volunteering here in Edgewater. But at the same time, let's not be naive about how the "city works". What we would like to see would be change in the area of TIF's and other uses of public funds.

• 6033bears

  JMN – Maybe you can help to clear some of this up. Please look at the 2008 EDC tax return. It is very interesting.

  http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocuments/2008/363/738/2008-363738216-058fec72-Z.pdf

  So if Rae Ann paid 100% of for the "1127" property, why does EDC own 20% according to the return?

  It does show the EDC claiming a "loss" on the "1127" property.

  Your contention is that the EDC didn't pay anything for it. If so, how did it get any percentage of ownership?

  So the EDC really hasn't had any involvement with the ECC since 1995? (no web site update since 1995…doesn't make sense)

  Also, aren't there rules that prohibit against 501c3 organizations board members participating in ventures such as this?

  Being that the EDC is a non-profit, what if the property is involved with a liability law suit?

  Something about the whole deal really is very strange.

• towanda

  Bravo to you JMN, you are an asset to our community and I salute you! Today, I was stopped by someone who knows I comment on this blog, by the way, they thanked me for doing so. This person told me to be very weary of Phil & his pals because they (Phil in particular) will (1) take one word or sentence you say and twist it so that it either ends up not being what you actually said, or try to trip you up and (2) they (Phil in particular) will use different id names to come at you from all directions under one guise, i.e., Judith Emile and 6033 bears. Check back over all the comments on the various articles on this site for months and you will find that they have not commented until the Phil Bernstein article and even than, came in very late in the conversation. Yes, many new people have added their voice, like sadiesmom, George, Casey, Michael and others, but their comments were not demeaning in any way, only "Judith Emile" and 6033 bears. It seems to me that your comments JMN are being twisted and made to be something different than what you actually said.

• towanda

  I believe that the Harry supporters are being baited by these two who, perhaps, are really Phil or Redell in disguise. Do I have proof? No, I just trust the person who told me that, so "Judith" and 6033 bears, don't bother asking for proof or twisting what I have actually said here, I'm not buying the "bait & switch" mentality. If you want to use bait, go fishing on the end of the pier, you'll get better bites. "Judith", you seemed kinder and interested in debating the issues before, why not go there again? And 6033 bears, have you just taken over for "Judith Emile" or are you two one and the same? Oh wait, I won't get an HONEST answer from either one of you. Doesn't surprise me and save the answer, it won't be the truth. See, I have this issue, as I've mentioned before, with people who want to run our ward and don't participate, like volunteering. I have this issue with people talking trash about where I live. I also have an issue with people twisting things for their own benefit. No one wins in a "verbal gymnastic" debate. Bernstein supporters are few and far between and I get that you have to trash Harry to try and sway people, but the way you are going about it is unacceptable to me. Phil doesn't stand for change when his supporter do the EXACT same thing all politicians do. I just happen to trust Harry. That's my perocative so save the trash comment. Not you, "Judith" or you 6033 bears has conceded once that myself or JMN may be right JUST ONCE! That is impossible. Here's the deal, there are many people who have had run in's with Phil and you "Judith" and are actually AFRAID to comment on this or prove who you are "Judith Emile" or to prove you wrong for fear of how their words will be twisted. To me, that says a whole lot. Many people know who I am and therefore, feel they can say these things to me. Unlike you, I will not jeopardize their jobs, their good names or my friendship with them. This is no longer the "McCarthy" era. Go ahead, come after me now, I really don't care. By the way, I do not do drugs, drink or even go to bars so my mind and conscience is clear. Nice try though, to bad you only made yourself look bad with that comment.

• towanda

  I believe that the Harry supporters are being baited by these two who, perhaps, are really Phil or Redell in disguise. Do I have proof? No, I just trust the person who told me that, so "Judith" and 6033 bears, don't bother asking for proof or twisting what I have actually said here, I'm not buying the "bait & switch" mentality. If you want to use bait, go fishing on the end of the pier, you'll get better bites. "Judith", you seemed kinder and interested in debating the issues before, why not go there again? And 6033 bears, have you just taken over for "Judith Emile" or are you two one and the same? Oh wait, I won't get an HONEST answer from either one of you. Doesn't surprise me and save the answer, it won't be the truth. See, I have this issue, as I've mentioned before, with people who want to run our ward and don't participate, like volunteering. I have this issue with people talking trash about where I live. I also have an issue with people twisting things for their own benefit. No one wins in a "verbal gymnastic" debate.

• towanda

  Bernstein supporters are few and far between and I get that you have to trash Harry to try and sway people, but the way you are going about it is unacceptable to me. Phil doesn't stand for change when his supporter do the EXACT same thing all politicians do. I just happen to trust Harry. That's my perocative so save the trash comment. Not you, "Judith" or you 6033 bears has conceded once that myself or JMN may be right JUST ONCE! That is impossible. Here's the deal, there are many people who have had run in's with Phil and you "Judith" and are actually AFRAID to comment on this or prove who you are "Judith Emile" or to prove you wrong for fear of how their words will be twisted. To me, that says a whole lot. Many people know who I am and therefore, feel they can say these things to me. Unlike you, I will not jeopardize their jobs, their good names or my friendship with them. This is no longer the "McCarthy" era. Go ahead, come after me now, I really don't care. By the way, I do not do drugs, drink or even go to bars so my mind and conscience is clear. Nice try though, to bad you only made yourself look bad with that comment.

• towanda

  "Ho's lack of education and experience"..Are you kidding me? Let's talk about Presidents with either very little education and or very little experience. Hmmm, Ronald Reagan comes to mind. Ran for governor of Ca with NO experience..just acting. How about Abraham Lincoln? Hmmm, self taught, was a lawyer and an IL. State Legislator, before becoming President. Let's not go there. It is very well documented that many of our Presidents, many of our inventors and many of our hero's had very little education or experience.

• JMN

  Bears6033 – I don't know who you are – so I will not comment further on 1127 and EDC – except to say – I stand on my ground there was no EDC public or EDC funds used to acquire the current 20% position – so no political comment (positive or negative) can be made about the position. EDC is very "clean" on this asset. Bernstein needs to look elsewhere for "dirt" on EDC- and needs to be careful he does not make a statement that would slam EDC – my caution to you and Berstein – tread lightly on making accusations – and respect privacy and libel LAWS. I suggest for legal safety – – move on to other more relvant issues. You never know when a legal volunteer might step up and make an issue of slander. For my own legal safety I am done with trying to convince you and Bernstein you are wrong on your assumption on 1127 and EDC. My goal is to stop now this misinformation.

• towanda

  Having done a search for Judith Emile, guess what folks, there are just a three in the entire country. One of them lives in Ma. so I hardly think their commenting on our blog and the other two..are from chicago. Heck, what are the chances that a "Judith Emile" is listed as a company name and a citizen named "Judith Emile" would be responding on this blog? I'd win the power ball before that would happen. Hmmmm.

• towanda

  Be careful folks…all this stuff 6033 bears is reporting on the ECC, EDC and 1127 can be found on the EDGEWATERINTELLIGENCER under forms. Seems these 6033 bears & "Judith Emile" may be Phil Bernstein himself. If it is, what a coward. Also, isn't 6033 bears the number for Albanese Gummy Bears???

• Toto

  Just stopped in. Yup Phil's still angry.

• Matthew

  This post with the well over 100 comments now (and climbing steady) reminds me of the old forum that the Edgewater Chamber used to host. It got so out of control, mean, nasty, etc. that they had permanently shut it down. I was halfway expecting "Hugh" or "Lakefront Libby" to be posting here!

• towanda

  Sorry Matthew, but this is a pretty hot topic right now. People have much to say.

• BowWow

  As someone who has known Rae Ann Cecrle and her husband for a number of years, I cannot say enough about what people she and her husband are.

  No person has been as totally devoted to promoting and making Edgewater better. She and her husband re-habbed many buildings in the area when Edgewater was on the brink in the 1970s and 1980s. They worked their day jobs to keep food on the table and sunk untold dollars into making things right.

  If it wasn't for devoted people like Cecrles, who knows where we would be. We should all stand up know and give them a huge round of applause.

  As for Standees, every commercial landlord, per lease, has the right to ask a tenant to improve their commercial space so it will be attractive, especially if you are trying to attract tenants to other commercial space in your building. The Cecrles, asked Standees to upgrade. Standees declined. The lease was not renewed. New tenant was found.

  Would Mr. Bernstein suggest that private landlords not be allowed to manage their property as they see fit?

  Fact: EDC and ECC share office space, but are totally separate legal entities. Why won't Mr. Bernstein correct it on his webpage?

  I do not doubt Mr. Bernstein's intelligence, however, I must question his temperment in light of the rage he shows on his blog.

• Judith Emile

  Towanda, somehow you are under the mistaken impression that your "friend" has Bernstein and his immediate friends as the only people in the world that would disapprove of her behavior, wrong! Travel up and down Sheridan Rd. and talk to some people around here. The bizarre public behavior she displayed at the Earth Day celebration was noticed by many. (so, don't be so sure about who I am)

  Suggesting that your words will be twisted as a reason not to respond? What a wimpy cop out!

  HO is like Lincoln or Reagan? Really? Are you trying to make us laugh?

• 6033bears

  Matthew, whether we agree or not, I still want to thank you for pointing something out.

  You said there was an "old forum that the Edgewater Chamber used to host". You also said "It got so out of control, mean, nasty, etc."

  I never knew anything about it.

  According to some, Bernstein obviously didn't participate in anything until "5 minutes ago".

  So obviously Bernstein wasn't there back then stirring things up. What happened to those malcontents? Did they go away?

  So Egdewater obviously wasn't "Shangri la" back then and isn't now.

  If not for Bernstein, there would be perfect harmony! (as some would suggest)

  The point is, there are tons of people here fed up with this machine and Harry is part of it. Voter apathy is a problem here and it keeps the machine in place.

  Oh, and Towanda, sorry for the "verbal gymnastics". I'll try to "type slower" for you.

• towanda

  There you go, "twisting" what I said. I DID NOT compare harry to any presidents, I was making a point that many of our leaders didn't have much education or experience…but than, "twisting" what I said is something you do well "PHIL"! I noticed you didn't respond to many of the other comments because you know they are true. I'll let you figure it out since you are the EDGEWATERINTELLIGENCER..
  Guess you liked the "verbal gymnastic" remark, it was the only one you actually picked out from many spot on comments. I'll watch to see if it's on your blog(s) and referencing "typing slower" is a dig regarding my visual handicap..nice one. Keep showing your true colors.

• towanda

  Watch it Matthew, he's baiting again.

• towanda

  "Towanda, somehow you are under the mistaken impression that your "friend" has Bernstein and his immediate friends as the only people in the world that would disapprove of her behavior, wrong!"

  What in the world are you talking about Phil?

• towanda

  Have a good night Phil, talk to you later;)

• 6033bears

  Towanda,

  You just can't speak directly about any issues.

  No dig was make about your vision at all. Visual Handicap? I don't have any idea what you are talking about.

  How would I know that?

  I don't even know who you are (male, female, race, or anything) and wouldn't know you if I saw you on the street.

  You could be anyone. I'd never know.

  "Type slower" is just a response to your complaint about the "verbal gymnastics" you have to go through thinking it was hard for you to comprehend big words, no kidding.

  I still don't get the "joke", even if you thought one was made.

  Please, you really need to get a grip. While I'm sorry to hear that you are visually impaired, don't use that as bogus shield to defend yourself.

  It really is ridiculous that HO's supporters feel the need to suggest Bernstein and his supporters are Homophobes, Ageists, Hate kids, and NOW anti visually impaired, etc….

  Everything you complain about in terms of "hate", you seem to display.

  Stop hating and start talking about the issues.

  What really is disgusting is when Bernstein supporters talk about "the issues", you now are chiming in saying "don't talk, he's baiting". But when it comes time to do an unsupported character assassination of Bernstein, you become a blabber mouth.

• JMN

  Swift – the listing of board members needs updating from tme to time to time- that is not always done with volunteer groups

• towanda

  The PB supporters have referred to "Leapers" at Malibu East..shameful. Imagine if someone from their family were reading this. Total disrespect for human tragedy. When I mentioned the "@" that Redell used/uses, it disappeared from the comments here..indeed suspicious. No response to the fact that I did a search of the name "Judith Emile" and found 3, 2 of which are here in Chicago as a company name. That's in the whole country folks! No clear response about LGBT issues, Education or senior issues. NOTHING! They just keep attacking the HO supporters as they accuse us of attacking PB. Come on, many of us have asked to discuss the issues, Paul asked and I agreed with 6033bears about doing the same. NOTHING! Many people have complemented some of the HO supporters for their comments, none have done so for PB. And the attacks on myself and JMN are completely unacceptable "Judith Emile" and 6033bears. Seems this is what we can expect from PB.

• towanda

  Weird,some of my comments don't appear after I hit "Publish your comment". Wonder why. Any ideas? Anyhow, I want to point out some things that "Judith Emile" and 6033bears(one in the same) are accusing the HO supporters of doing, in particular, me. First, 6033bears didn't come into the comments until the 56 comment and than, knew what every HO supporter said, but only the negative things. I think there to much similarity between "Judith Emile" amd 6033bears. The word "ad Hominem" and "Elitist" are used on the Bernstein blog. I never called Phil names, I said the article about the Task Force meeting was a lie. I've only contended that Phil does not show up or volunteer, that he has nothing but negative things to say about Edgewater. I have even sent a message to Phil asking if he had anything good to say about Edgewater and there was no reply. "Judith Emile" threw the first punch at ME by saying I had "zero credibility".

• Swift Elementary

  Towanda, your bigoted self righteousness really has been displayed. You can't shield yourself with it or your self admitted disability.

  Your lack of ability to speak about the issues has really shown though with your obsession in "going after" and finding out exactly "who" is saying "what"….and THAT is really sick on your part.

  6033bears made good points.

  You and other "lost it" well BEFORE a single post was made by anyone supporting Bernstein.

  Face it. You were told you have "zero credibility" because you couldn't support what you were saying about Bernstein's father, pensions, etc… That is not a legitimate reason for you to "go off". You refused to support your point and therefore, you don't have any credibility, NONE.

  At least JMN had enough character to support "some" of his point and attempted to debunk what Bernstein was saying. (but ultimately at a point and said his position should be taken as gospel and inferred a legal threat)

  You did none of that. Instead, You just kept asking about Education, etc… OK, so there isn't a "tab" on Bernstein's site. So what? Harry doesn't talk about how he pay for anything and many of his tabs are just fluff.

  I actually like what these here others have been saying to some degree, minus the vitriol.

  I DO have a problem with the fact that Harry doesn't have the educational credentials or experience. I also find the statement about Harry being "machine made" rather than "self made" to be an important, in fact salient point.

  Harry grew up "in the system" (machine) with no real work experience outside of it. Harry would have a little more credibility if Harry built something on his own, like a business, considering his lack of educational credentials.

  Then, in lieu of education, at least we could point to, and say he has capabilities that have been demonstrated outside the machine.

• JMN

  Swift Elementary

  Re: At least JMN had enough character to support "some" of his point and attempted to debunk what Bernstein was saying. (but ultimately at a point and said his position should be taken as gospel and inferred a legal threat)

  1. You don't know who I am so it is up to you to accept what I said about EDC, 1127 and Rae Ann as gospel – if you knew who I was you would know that I have good reason to know those facts
  2. Because I know those facts and did not want false accusations out there – I made a friendly caution regarding the legal implication of suggesting misuse of donated or public funds by EDC, 1127, or Rae Ann when none were used.
  If an accusation using your name was made regarding using public funds when none were used – wouldn't you consider legal action to stop the libel? Please think about it -I am only trying to be informative and helpful – and if you knew me you would know I would not make a statement as fact if I did not know that I was 1000% correct. I will always let people know when I am stating a fact or a conjecture. So let’s accept my statement as “known” fact(s), and move on – with gratitude for the factual information. At the very least accept that if I am right (and I am) a Bernstein platform on misinformation about these entities could prove to be embarrassing when the proof is presented. I would hope that if Bernstein is reading this he would remove those false statements from his blog as well. A word to the wise should be sufficient. I have no personal stake in this reporting except to make sure only the facts are presented to the community.

• towanda

  Swift Elementary,I'm sorry you think I'm "bigoted and self-righteous", I'm really not and am far from pious or smug. If you really knew me, you wouldn't be saying that. It is your prerogative to feel that way. I have NEVER called Phil Bernstein any derogatory name in my comments. I said a statement he made on his blog was a lie. I, on the other hand, have been called a "liar", "had zero credibility" was on "crack cocaine and crystal Meth", "my mind was liquor soaked" "coward" "stalker type mentality" and the vision problem. What I have tried to do is defend myself against those derogatory comments. I have that right. I also have the right to say how I feel about the "Leaper" comment made. I haven't resorted to calling any of you, who have been attacking me, names. I have commented on the issues, those I know about but have also said I was a "newbie". I responded to "Judith Emile about my assertions, the comment appeared for a while and than disappeared. (See Sept. 30, 10.21 am). My comment isn't there. I have been having problems with that happening, as I stated. The comments (3) I deleted were because the same one appeared that many times.

• towanda

  Swift, you brought up the education comment first and Scamp brought up the "two federal pensions" first, not I. Why do the three of you insist on attacking me? I have sated that I like Harry, his vision, the possibilities, the changes he already is making, giving examples, and why I like Harry. I have agreed with 6033bears, da. mcmoney and "Judith Emile". I have followed up on Judith Emile" telling me to "take a look in the phonebook or Facebook and notice how many Judith Emile entries there are". See sept.28 6:14 pm. I responded to that. I like speaking to the person who actually "owns" the id, "Judith Emile" is a company name, I know the person so I have commented about that. Maybe the "real" "Judith Emile" is actually commenting, maybe you & "Judith Emile" are right. Maybe 6033 bears is actually someone from Malibu East who has a problem with me, I don't know but whomever it is, you have to admit, they have jumped on me pretty bad and I DID NOT make derogatory remarks about Phil. Maybe the person who told me these things about Phil, who seems to be in the know, was setting me up. Maybe they hate Phil. I don't hate Phil. I don't know and I don't care. I won't resort to putting you, "Judith Emile" or 6033bears down by calling you names or calling you drunks and drug users. As before, in my first comment that started this whole thing, I stand by how I feel about the EDGEWATERINTELLIGENCER". NOTHING NICE IS SAID ABOUT ANYTHING OR ANYONE IN EDGEWATER ON THAT SITE! I also stand by Harry for being a positive figure in Edgewater. For caring about the crime issue on Thorndale. For being visible in Edgewater. For hosting "Harry's Kids" and for participating in the community I love. If you think I should be labeled "bigoted and self-righteous", I'm sorry you feel that way. To "Judith Emile", I'm sorry I can't tell you where I got the information. Maybe, just maybe, the person has an issue with PB and set me up. I don't know at this point. I'm also sorry that the three of you feel the need to call me names. To bad you don't really know me.

• towanda

  I also stand by Harry for being a positive figure in Edgewater. For caring about the crime issue on Thorndale. For being visible in Edgewater. For hosting "Harry's Kids" and for participating in the community I love. If you think I should be labeled "bigoted and self-righteous", I'm sorry you feel that way. To "Judith Emile", I'm sorry I can't tell you where I got the information. Maybe, just maybe, the person has an issue with PB and set me up. I don't know at this point. I'm also sorry that the three of you feel the need to call me names. To bad you don't really know me.

• MikeBySenn

  Ha ha, I was away for the weekend and I came back to see what was on the ECB and I see that this run-of-the-mill post about another candidate has generated over 150 comments. What a colossal waste of energy, and what a classic display of passive aggressive, pathetic, immature, vindictive and naive bullshit. As if any of this is going to have an effect on how anyone votes.

  Towanda, JMN, Patrick, Judith, et al: go outside and take a walk or something. It's a nice evening and you're all just shouting at each other and no one else cares. A volunteer (for Osterman or Bernstein) with a clipboard on the corner of Broadway and Berwyn would accomplish more than what you yahoos have squandered hours of time on. Pathetic. Grow up and stop yelling on a fricking message board most visit for crime and community updates.

  Towanda, you're the only person with a real history on this board (most of the Bernstein commenters are new, and therefore suspect trolls), so I will say this to you and I mean no disrespect: stop being so naive and getting in these long arguments online with people you'll never meet and will never see. It's kind of sad, really. They're laughing at you. The best response to this kind of thing is no response. They feed on negative attention. Use your head and stop feeding them. Sheesh.

• towanda

  MikeBySenn,
  You are right. I blew it and got way to caught up in this nonsense and I'm not even sure why at this point. I think I will take a walk. Thank You for the advise and letting me know that I should know better. I appreciate it

• JMN

  mikebysenn – I was only trying to correct a very serious misstatement concerns use of donations and public funds – perhaps I should have ignored it and let Bernstein hang himself by presenting statements as fact when when clearly he is going on his assumptions and not facts. The entities and people involved in his false assumptions needed their day in court before the false assumptions got more exposure. It would be fun to debate his false statements in front of him in public and then I would professionally present proof of my facts. Cheers

• Matthew

  I agree…Towanda, the other commenters on this post are just feeding off your responses. I think we all know that Harry is one of the best reps down in Springfield and that he will make a good Alderman for the 48th Ward. Nobody is perfect, but anyone that cares as much as he does about our neighborhood has my vote. I also think it is important that our alderman has a proven track record. Harry has been a very positive advocate for this community for many years.

• To be or not to be

  towanda, did you ever bother to hear what other people say or think? I am sorry you need people to lean on. Let Harold do his own talking. He has had women tell him what to do his entire life. Let him stand on his own. Please! Mr. Bernstein is a nice guy! I am happy I talked to him, he set me straight on the real issues in the 48th ward. A real leader!

• towanda

  Thanks Matthew, I also want to apologize to this blog for getting caught up in the insanity created by a simple comment. I sure won't let it happen again and I'm sorry it came to this.

  May you always have work for your hands to do.
  May your pockets hold always a coin or two.
  May the sun shine bright on your windowpane.
  May the rainbow be certain to follow each rain.
  May the hand of a friend always be near you.
  And may God fill your heart with gladness to cheer you.
  - Irish Blessing

• towanda

  EDGWATERINTELLIGENCER attacking commenters from the Buzz on that website. I'm not sure why Phil Bernstein continues to attack the people of Edgewater for giving their opinions(JMN & towanda) Actually, how does Bernstein even know who we are unless, of course, he has some high tech spy gear on his computer. I'm so glad I am backing a candidate who doesn't stoop to the level of Bernstein and sets an example of how this great ward and the community within it should act. Thank you Harry for being steady, engaging and for having the best interest of our ward as your priority. It's refreshing to have a politician not engage in this kind of demeaning and vengeful game. ONE of the many reasons why Harry's my guy!

• Swift Elementary

  http://www.earlyandoften.org/top/news/2010/10/09/48th-ward-bernstein-calls-for-debate-with-osterman

  48th Ward: Bernstein Calls for Debate with Osterman | Early And Often